The swelling appears to be dose related. The XXS kit has the lowest amount of rhBMP-2. The swelling is localized with only a few cases of moderate facial swelling. The swelling is greater with sinus bone grafting and ridge augmentation as more BMP is used.
This particular technique is only applicable to socket graft cases. As I previously mentioned the concept of using rhBMP-2 is different than traditional GBR procedures. Barrier membranes are not typically used with rhBMP-2. In fact some research suggests they may actually have a negative influence on the outcomes. If you use rhBMP-2 for ridge augmentation then titanium mesh is used to support the graft site as the collagen sponge has poor scaffold qualities. The soft tissue flap will compress the graft. The mesh is not a barrier membrane - it only supports the flap and protects the graft ("protected bone regeneration"). I have a publication on this coming out soon in the Int J Periodontics and Restorative Dentistry.
Craig;
How exactly do you mix the Mineross with the BMP-2 and ACS?
Some clinicians cut the sponge into pieces and mix it all together collectively while others sprinkle the bone on the outside of the sponge, while others use the bone and wrap it up inside the ACS sponge like a burrito.
What is your style?
thanks
Maurice
The sponge is first saturated with the BMP for 15 minutes. As you know the collagen sponge binds the growth factor (not the allograft). I then cut the sponge into smaller pieces and mix it with the particulate allograft. This gives you better control when placing the sponge/particulate graft mixture. This graft complex is used to fill the socket level with the alveolar bone margins. A piece of collagen sponge (saturated with rhBMP-2) is used alone (without allograft) to cover the socket level with the gingiva. Cross stiching with sutures across the socket maintains the collagen. This last piece of collagen acts as a dressing over the graft and helps with soft tissue wound healing.
Thats my style.
Regards,
Craig
Thanks Maurice,
The article goes into much greater detail than the abstract can review. I agree that 2.0 mm of bone facial to an implant would be ideal – however, I do not think this is a clinical reality in many cases (that are still successful). If you examine the Fiorellini et al study (2005) they needed to do secondary bone grafting 14% of the time. They used the collagen sponge alone but I added about 20% mineralized bone allograft to the sponge. I did not need to do any additional bone grafting any of the 10 cases at the time of implant placement. This may be due to the additional three dimensional support of the sponge from the allograft. However, I did perform connective tissue grafting in 5 cases to improve the facial contour. I waited 4 to 6 months to place implants. However, at four months the bone was too immature in my opinion. Waiting an additional 1 to 2 months seemed to improve the quality to type 3 and in some cases approaching type 2. I would recommend waiting 5 to 6 months – de novo bone formation matures with time.
I look forward to seeing you again soon.
Craig
No membrane is used with rhBMP-2. It is unnecessary and some research has shown it may even have a negative influence on the result. Just placing the collagen sponge saturated with rhBMP-2 + 20% by volume mineralized bone allograft. I am reserving this technique to significant facial plate defects (> 50%).
If the socket is intact I usually use a mineralized bone allograft for socket grafting (if I am not immeidatley placing an implant). I personally have found MinerOss to have favorable characteristics (combined cortical/cancellous, nice particle size 0.6 - 1.25 mm, cost competative and a reliable source - OsteoTech)
Interesting discussion! The use of rhBMP-2 is definitely FDA approved for the repair of alveolar defects associated with tooth extraction. Keep in mind my article on rhBMP-2 was on type 3 sockets (> 50% of facial plate missing). These cases are typically treated with GBR (membrane + graft) or bone blocks. Furthermore, the repair of these more significant defects is usually delayed in the esthetic zone as you need primary closure (otherwise advancing a flap with alter the normal gingival architecture). The use of rhBMP-2 was simultaneous with the extraction. No flap reflection was needed (as would be required with GBR or blocks). Therefore less tissue manipulation was needed – less morbidity and less surgical time. I must take issue with those that claim that simply placing a bone substitute into the defective socket (> 50% missing facial plate) will provide equal results (please show me a published reference with more than one case where it “worked”). Maybe you can get “lucky” one in a while but I am search for consistency. The rhBMP-2 technique (with a small amount of allograft) worked well in all 10 cases. Also note I did not obtain primary closure over the rhBMP-2 in this study. The growth factor stimulates angioneogenesis and soft tissue healing. Implants were inserted and all integrated for restoration with crowns. The cost is a factor but the simplicity overrides this concern (15 minutes for a socket graft). Patients are more than willing to pay for a procedure that has less morbidity and can be done the same day the tooth is removed. The swelling seems to be dose dependent – socket repair has much less swelling than sinus grafting. This approach has become routine in my practice for this particular application.
Nice article and I applaud your "consistant" technique. I have seen many clinicians using BMP-2 in varied and inconsistent ways with very little in the literature to support or help direct the clinician in daily practice.
A few questions. It appeared in a few of your cases in the published article that there remained a small "residual" labial deficiency. Dr. Grunder had suggested the need for at least 2mm of bone labial to the implant. Did you graft again at the time of implant placement? If so what did you utilize?
Also, how long did you wait prior to rentry and implant placment and what was the quality of the bone when you placed the fixtures.
Again, many thanks for the article and I look forward to the next time we get the chance to share the podium.
So basically if you have a facial plate defect you are utilizing infuse. That being said are you slipping a membrane done the facial plate or are you just utilizing the infuse with the bone graft?
I like to get his thoughts on routine use of this?
Int J Oral Maxillofac Implants. 2010 Nov-Dec;25(6):1246-52.
The use of recombinant human bone morphogenetic protein-2 for the repair of extraction socket defects: a technical modification and case series report.
Misch CM.
Abstract
Purpose: The purpose of this case series was to evaluate the use of recombinant human bone morphogenetic protein-2 (rhBMP-2) in an absorbable collagen sponge (ACS) carrier for the repair of significant bone defects following tooth removal. The surgical technique was modified because primary closure was not obtained over the grafted sockets. Materials and Methods: The present series included 10 consecutively treated patients with failed endodontically treated maxillary central incisors. Computed tomographic scans were obtained preoperatively. The extraction sockets all had > 50% buccal bone loss. The sockets were grafted with rhBMP-2/ACS and a small amount of bone substitute. Dental implants were inserted after 4 to 6 months of healing. Results: Healing of the grafted sockets was uneventful. Dental implants were placed in all grafted sites without the need for further bone augmentation. A comparison of preoperative and postgrafting computed tomographic scans found a slight loss in alveolar width at the crest of 1.07 mm. Connective tissue grafts were placed in five patients. All 10 implants integrated well and were restored with single crowns. Conclusions: The use of rhBMP-2/ACS was effective in repairing osseous defects prior to implant placement. The lack of primary closure over the graft did not appear to complicate healing or compromise bone growth. This modification simplifies the technique and may reduce postoperative morbidity caused by flap manipulation. Int J Oral Maxillofac Implants 2010;25:1246-1252.
I was during some research and noticed that in orthopedics there has been some deaths associated with bmp2 and spine surgery. Does this translate to dental? Is there a risk here?
The deaths were associated with the use of BMP for treatment of cervical spine. The BMP evidently caused a rather extreme inflammatory reaction which resulted in edema thus obstructing the airway.
I have some attorney friends who have told me that BMP lawsuits may be on the horizon due to off-label use. Many docs are combining BMP with bone graft instead of the carrier.
As with any product there are risks. I dont believe we have the same risk as orthopedics. The above link is a rare complication and the risk is low in OMFS in my opinion.
BMP has some definite benefits. It does grow bone well in some very difficult spots, but some people act like it is the Holy Grail. It does produce alot of swelling...ALOT of swelling. Also, the bone that does grow is usually type 3. Right now, it is probably the best thing that we have for difficult spots. But I am sure that something better will come along in the future.
I dont see the value in spending 900 dollars to place this in the socket when a 30 dollar bottle of bone works fine. Otherwise the other comments on this thread are spot on for infuses use.
In general I would not use this in a routine socket. Not worth the price. But I would use it in a socket where I knew that because of teh amount of infection and bone loss I would probably need to do additional surgical procedures to get an implant in there.
I am a restorative dentist and my surgeon uses infuse. The patients come in with alot of swelling and I am frequently tap dancing to give them answers. How do I reduce the patients fear after they have this product used on them?
I have to agree with most of the comment thus far.
"Infuse is either a home run or a strike out for sure." Well said statment.
I have done 50 infuse cases to date all complicated and all previously failed sites. I have had success in placing the implant in over 40 of the cases so to me its worth the price
To answer Dr. Salama's questions
Has the failure rate with Ti-mesh been less?
Failure rate is low. Thick tissue is critical if you have a thin biotype it will fail
Has the bone quality been better, the same or worse?
Bone quality is type 3 predominantly.
How about post loading of this bone with implants and then prosthetics, how does it respond at 6-12 months clinically and radiographically??
Success rate thus far in 41 implants placed is 40/41 successes 6-21 months out. The one failure I had was occlusal overload and the implant fractured not a failure of the graft.
I think we are in a golden age of grafting. There are great advances in growth factors that enhance our healing and help grow bone. This product is one of them.
I use it strictly on label in the sinus and I have yet to have a problem. I will add bio-oss to my graft to avoid shrinkage and collapse of the membrane.
I saw a lecture by Craig Misch at the IJPRD using infuse in a socket that has tremendous loss of bone due to infection. He placed the infuse in the socket with some allograft and 5 months later he had great bone.
I think infuse in sockets like this may enhance healing and avoid doing major grafting after the extraction.
This to me is a promising material. While expensive it give us the opportunity to provide patients and option when no other option is out there.
I have use BMP-2 on 20 cases. I have two failures. The bone has been type 4 in most cases with some type 3. My type 3 cases I have mixed the infuse with particulate and I think that makes the difference.
I have several success cases utilizing ti-mesh and an inion membrane.
I have used it in sockets that have been extremely destroyed by infection and doing nothing would have resulted in a defect that would have required multiple surgeries to correct.
I agree the price is high but I agree with most of the below. I use this material in cases that are extremely difficult or past failures. I usually can charge more so it is not an issue.
Its worth the price in those cases, especially when you are trying to make something out of nothing.
I usually get Type 4 bone and it does hold up over time. I have used this material with Mesh as well as mixed it with particulate and used tenting screws.
Just met with my local Medtronic rep about Infuse BMP-2. The cost for the Infuse XX small is $876.00. The is the smallest amount of BMP they sell and is enough for a single area/one socket site for grafting.
How much do you charge to take out a tooth and socket graft with this?
Does this become cost prohibitive?
While it may be a good product, it is hard from a private practice prospective to charge for this especially in this economy.
BMP-2 has shown alot of promise but I dont think its there yet.
While I have not used the product I think there are better forms of growth factors (Like PRGF and PRF) which has less complications and less expense.
I also am concerned about how complicated your surgery has to be to build the ridge. I am concerned with a product that needs ti-mesh, membranes, thick soft tissue in order to have any hope of working.
There is a big quest for the ideal grafting material.Unfortunately some of the studies and advertisements are industry driven.
In bone regeneration biology dictates the healing potential.As we all know two major components are needed for regeneration:cells and blood vessels.This is why growth factors utilization becomes so popular.
Growth factors which will attract cells and blood vessels would be ideal- this is why PRF which contains VEGF became so popular.
I really don't see the point in investing so much $$$ in BMP and getting similar results to allograft mixed with PRF.( my preference is Regenaform).
The sinus results i've seen with the infuse were not impressive not to mention the huge edema.
Again more important than the material is the surgical technique...
I think case selection is key. I have only done two cases in the sinus and the results were great. Type 3 bone.
To avoid the slumping issue I add bone as decribed in this Tarnow article.
Int J Periodontics Restorative Dent. 2010 Apr;30(2):139-49.
Maxillary sinus augmentation using recombinant bone morphogenetic protein-2/acellular collagen sponge in combination with a mineralized bone replacement graft: a report of three cases.
Tarnow DP, Wallace SS, Testori T, Froum SJ, Motroni A, Prasad HS.
Abstract
The objective of the following case reports was to assess whether mineralized bone replacement grafts (eg, xenografts and allografts) could be added to recombinant human bone morphogenetic protein-2/acellular collagen sponge (rhBMP-2/ACS) in an effective manner that would: (1) reduce the graft shrinkage observed when using rhBMP-2/ACS alone, (2) reduce the volume and dose of rhBMP-2 required, and (3) preserve the osteoinductivity that rhBMP-2/ACS has shown when used alone. The primary outcome measures were histomorphometric analysis of vital bone production and analysis of serial computed tomographic scans to determine changes in bone graft density and stability. Over the 6-month course of this investigation, bone graft densities tended to increase (moreso with the xenograft than the allograft). The increased density in allograft cases was likely the result of both compression of the mineralized bone replacement graft and vital bone formation, seen histologically. Loss of volume was greater with the four-sponge dose than the two-sponge dose because of compression and resorption of the sponges. Vital bone formation in the allograft cases ranged from 36% to 53% but, because of the small sample size, it was not possible to determine any significant difference between the 5.6 mL (four-sponge) dose and the 2.8 mL (two-sponge) dose. Histology revealed robust new woven bone formation with only minimal traces of residual allograft, which appeared to have undergone accelerated remodeling or rhBMP-2-mediated resorption.
I get consistent results using either intraorally harvested autogenous blocks or (more often these days) particulate putty materials, barrier membranes,and following the principles of GBR (space maintenance, epith exclusion, graft containment, passive wound stability). I became reluctant to get on the BMP-2 bandwagon after I saw the presentation on sinus grafts using BMP-2 at the AO and AAP meetings which showed lots of slumping and unimpressive results combined with lots of swelling. I agree with the posts below that the bone quality I have seen shown resulting from these grafts is poor (trephine cores) and questionable long term. For me at this point I think the better option for growth factors are those which promote early and robust soft tissue closure such as rh-PDGF, Emdogain, or PRGF. For those of you using Ti Mesh, are you doing so only in non-esthetic areas?? This technique seems like it has a high likelihood of esthetic failure of the case compared to other tried and true techniques.
I would concur with all that has been said but I would add the following:
1) For GBR you have to use ti-mesh. I tried several cases without the mesh using bio-oss and the infuse and it was a disaster.
2) For sockets it is very nice, I add a small amount of FDBA or Puros to the matrix and I can go back into a socket 8 weeks later and place the implant in solid bone.
3) you need to inform the patients about the swelling. Patient management can be an issue when you have to explain a month after the surgery why they are swollen.
Ti-Mesh and BMP Infuse
I dont think there is much research yet to support this treatment. I think sockets and sinus is where infuse is needed.
Opinions?
rhBMP-2 + allograft
The swelling appears to be dose related. The XXS kit has the lowest amount of rhBMP-2. The swelling is localized with only a few cases of moderate facial swelling. The swelling is greater with sinus bone grafting and ridge augmentation as more BMP is used.
This particular technique is only applicable to socket graft cases. As I previously mentioned the concept of using rhBMP-2 is different than traditional GBR procedures. Barrier membranes are not typically used with rhBMP-2. In fact some research suggests they may actually have a negative influence on the outcomes. If you use rhBMP-2 for ridge augmentation then titanium mesh is used to support the graft site as the collagen sponge has poor scaffold qualities. The soft tissue flap will compress the graft. The mesh is not a barrier membrane - it only supports the flap and protects the graft ("protected bone regeneration"). I have a publication on this coming out soon in the Int J Periodontics and Restorative Dentistry.
Dr, Misch what percentage of graft do you mix with rhBMP-2?
Dr, Misch what percentage of graft do you mix with rhBMP-2?
This is a great discussion. Any other opinions?
Dr. Misch follow up on BMP2 for GBR
I couldnt agree more and I have seen personally that membranes have a negative impact on BMP2 for GBR. I am eager to read your article.
Is BMP2 reducing you need to do a block graft?
Guy
Dr Misch are you using infuse in just sockets and sinus?
Have you tried it in GBR technique with ti-mesh? What is your opinion?
How do you mix the Mineross with your ACS-BMP-2?
Craig;
How exactly do you mix the Mineross with the BMP-2 and ACS?
Some clinicians cut the sponge into pieces and mix it all together collectively while others sprinkle the bone on the outside of the sponge, while others use the bone and wrap it up inside the ACS sponge like a burrito.
What is your style?
thanks
Maurice
Mixing allograft + collagen sponge/rhBMP-2
The sponge is first saturated with the BMP for 15 minutes. As you know the collagen sponge binds the growth factor (not the allograft). I then cut the sponge into smaller pieces and mix it with the particulate allograft. This gives you better control when placing the sponge/particulate graft mixture. This graft complex is used to fill the socket level with the alveolar bone margins. A piece of collagen sponge (saturated with rhBMP-2) is used alone (without allograft) to cover the socket level with the gingiva. Cross stiching with sutures across the socket maintains the collagen. This last piece of collagen acts as a dressing over the graft and helps with soft tissue wound healing.
Thats my style.
Regards,
Craig
Mixing allograft + collagen sponge/rhBMP-2??????
What kind of complications have you seen with this technique?
Is there increased swelling? Can you use this same technique but in a GBR approach and ti-mesh to build out a ridge?
Thank you
Oliver
rhBMP-2 article
Thanks Maurice,
The article goes into much greater detail than the abstract can review. I agree that 2.0 mm of bone facial to an implant would be ideal – however, I do not think this is a clinical reality in many cases (that are still successful). If you examine the Fiorellini et al study (2005) they needed to do secondary bone grafting 14% of the time. They used the collagen sponge alone but I added about 20% mineralized bone allograft to the sponge. I did not need to do any additional bone grafting any of the 10 cases at the time of implant placement. This may be due to the additional three dimensional support of the sponge from the allograft. However, I did perform connective tissue grafting in 5 cases to improve the facial contour. I waited 4 to 6 months to place implants. However, at four months the bone was too immature in my opinion. Waiting an additional 1 to 2 months seemed to improve the quality to type 3 and in some cases approaching type 2. I would recommend waiting 5 to 6 months – de novo bone formation matures with time.
I look forward to seeing you again soon.
Craig
rhBMP-2 socket graft
No membrane is used with rhBMP-2. It is unnecessary and some research has shown it may even have a negative influence on the result. Just placing the collagen sponge saturated with rhBMP-2 + 20% by volume mineralized bone allograft. I am reserving this technique to significant facial plate defects (> 50%).
If the socket is intact I usually use a mineralized bone allograft for socket grafting (if I am not immeidatley placing an implant). I personally have found MinerOss to have favorable characteristics (combined cortical/cancellous, nice particle size 0.6 - 1.25 mm, cost competative and a reliable source - OsteoTech)
Thank you Dr. Misch
Thank you for your help. I enjoy reading your work and seeing your lectures.
Barbs
rhBMP-2 socket repair
Interesting discussion! The use of rhBMP-2 is definitely FDA approved for the repair of alveolar defects associated with tooth extraction. Keep in mind my article on rhBMP-2 was on type 3 sockets (> 50% of facial plate missing). These cases are typically treated with GBR (membrane + graft) or bone blocks. Furthermore, the repair of these more significant defects is usually delayed in the esthetic zone as you need primary closure (otherwise advancing a flap with alter the normal gingival architecture). The use of rhBMP-2 was simultaneous with the extraction. No flap reflection was needed (as would be required with GBR or blocks). Therefore less tissue manipulation was needed – less morbidity and less surgical time. I must take issue with those that claim that simply placing a bone substitute into the defective socket (> 50% missing facial plate) will provide equal results (please show me a published reference with more than one case where it “worked”). Maybe you can get “lucky” one in a while but I am search for consistency. The rhBMP-2 technique (with a small amount of allograft) worked well in all 10 cases. Also note I did not obtain primary closure over the rhBMP-2 in this study. The growth factor stimulates angioneogenesis and soft tissue healing. Implants were inserted and all integrated for restoration with crowns. The cost is a factor but the simplicity overrides this concern (15 minutes for a socket graft). Patients are more than willing to pay for a procedure that has less morbidity and can be done the same day the tooth is removed. The swelling seems to be dose dependent – socket repair has much less swelling than sinus grafting. This approach has become routine in my practice for this particular application.
rhBMP-2 for socket repair? Questions?
Craig;
Nice article and I applaud your "consistant" technique. I have seen many clinicians using BMP-2 in varied and inconsistent ways with very little in the literature to support or help direct the clinician in daily practice.
A few questions. It appeared in a few of your cases in the published article that there remained a small "residual" labial deficiency. Dr. Grunder had suggested the need for at least 2mm of bone labial to the implant. Did you graft again at the time of implant placement? If so what did you utilize?
Also, how long did you wait prior to rentry and implant placment and what was the quality of the bone when you placed the fixtures.
Again, many thanks for the article and I look forward to the next time we get the chance to share the podium.
regards Maurice Salama
Dr. Misch: Some questions on BMP-2 Sockets
So basically if you have a facial plate defect you are utilizing infuse. That being said are you slipping a membrane done the facial plate or are you just utilizing the infuse with the bone graft?
What are you doing if the facial plate is intact?
Thanks,
Barbs
Very Nice Misch Article on BMP-2 and extraction sockets
I like to get his thoughts on routine use of this?
Int J Oral Maxillofac Implants. 2010 Nov-Dec;25(6):1246-52.
The use of recombinant human bone morphogenetic protein-2 for the repair of extraction socket defects: a technical modification and case series report.
Misch CM.
Abstract
Purpose: The purpose of this case series was to evaluate the use of recombinant human bone morphogenetic protein-2 (rhBMP-2) in an absorbable collagen sponge (ACS) carrier for the repair of significant bone defects following tooth removal. The surgical technique was modified because primary closure was not obtained over the grafted sockets. Materials and Methods: The present series included 10 consecutively treated patients with failed endodontically treated maxillary central incisors. Computed tomographic scans were obtained preoperatively. The extraction sockets all had > 50% buccal bone loss. The sockets were grafted with rhBMP-2/ACS and a small amount of bone substitute. Dental implants were inserted after 4 to 6 months of healing. Results: Healing of the grafted sockets was uneventful. Dental implants were placed in all grafted sites without the need for further bone augmentation. A comparison of preoperative and postgrafting computed tomographic scans found a slight loss in alveolar width at the crest of 1.07 mm. Connective tissue grafts were placed in five patients. All 10 implants integrated well and were restored with single crowns. Conclusions: The use of rhBMP-2/ACS was effective in repairing osseous defects prior to implant placement. The lack of primary closure over the graft did not appear to complicate healing or compromise bone growth. This modification simplifies the technique and may reduce postoperative morbidity caused by flap manipulation. Int J Oral Maxillofac Implants 2010;25:1246-1252.
Infuse/BMP2 off label use???????
If you are using infuse for extractions and GBR isnt it off label. Isnt this material only approved for sinus applications?
Infuse Off Label Use
Tim,
Infuse is approved for use in extraction sockets and Sinus lifts. I use it all the time for GBR procedures utilizing a ti mesh. I dont see the issue.
Opinions?
Oliver
BMP2 is there a risk of a severe complication via use? Death
I was during some research and noticed that in orthopedics there has been some deaths associated with bmp2 and spine surgery. Does this translate to dental? Is there a risk here?
http://journals.lww.com/spinejournal/Abstract/2010/04201/Complications_R...
BMP Off label use Deaths
The deaths were associated with the use of BMP for treatment of cervical spine. The BMP evidently caused a rather extreme inflammatory reaction which resulted in edema thus obstructing the airway.
BMP Lawsuits
I have some attorney friends who have told me that BMP lawsuits may be on the horizon due to off-label use. Many docs are combining BMP with bone graft instead of the carrier.
Risks of infuse bmp2 in OMFS
As with any product there are risks. I dont believe we have the same risk as orthopedics. The above link is a rare complication and the risk is low in OMFS in my opinion.
Oral Surgery use of BMP2 infuse: Limits of this Growth factor
My oral surgeon uses this all the time for ridge augmentation. He achieves excellent vertical augmentation as well as great bone.
What are the limits of the material?
Great bone?? Always seems to be type 3 bone
BMP has some definite benefits. It does grow bone well in some very difficult spots, but some people act like it is the Holy Grail. It does produce alot of swelling...ALOT of swelling. Also, the bone that does grow is usually type 3. Right now, it is probably the best thing that we have for difficult spots. But I am sure that something better will come along in the future.
Infuse BMP 2 in the Socket...Dont see the value
I dont see the value in spending 900 dollars to place this in the socket when a 30 dollar bottle of bone works fine. Otherwise the other comments on this thread are spot on for infuses use.
BMP 2 and Ti Mesh
You need thick tissue to make this work other wise it will expose and the infuse will go to POT.
Augment the tissue prior with CTG or allograft, if there is any doubt augment otherwise you will pay the piper.
Infuse BMP2 for Sockets: My Opinion
In general I would not use this in a routine socket. Not worth the price. But I would use it in a socket where I knew that because of teh amount of infection and bone loss I would probably need to do additional surgical procedures to get an implant in there.
Infuse my save you a surgery or 2.
Infuse BMP 2 great thread and discussion
Lots of great discussion and eye opening to me. Thought I post these links.
Lots of good info here:
https://www.infusebonegraft.com/omf_bmp.html
https://www.infusebonegraft.com/omf_about.html
https://www.infusebonegraft.com/omf_patient_vivian.html
Mouse
BMP2 is this worth the price placing in the socket?
This seems pricey to me placing this in a socket. Is it worth it?
Infuse BMP 2 question
How long are you waiting from soft tissue grafting to thicken the biotype to grafting with infuse?
Infuse/BMP: Patient issues and why do you get alot of swelling?
I am a restorative dentist and my surgeon uses infuse. The patients come in with alot of swelling and I am frequently tap dancing to give them answers. How do I reduce the patients fear after they have this product used on them?
Infuse BMP2 Comments: My opinion on 50 cases
I have to agree with most of the comment thus far.
"Infuse is either a home run or a strike out for sure." Well said statment.
I have done 50 infuse cases to date all complicated and all previously failed sites. I have had success in placing the implant in over 40 of the cases so to me its worth the price
To answer Dr. Salama's questions
Has the failure rate with Ti-mesh been less?
Failure rate is low. Thick tissue is critical if you have a thin biotype it will fail
Has the bone quality been better, the same or worse?
Bone quality is type 3 predominantly.
How about post loading of this bone with implants and then prosthetics, how does it respond at 6-12 months clinically and radiographically??
Success rate thus far in 41 implants placed is 40/41 successes 6-21 months out. The one failure I had was occlusal overload and the implant fractured not a failure of the graft.
Does it remain or does it resorb??
It definitely remains.....
Great Discussion, I am eager to hear more.
Infuse BMP2 Discussion: Socket grafts
Those of you that have used it in the socket what is your justification? What was your results? Was it better then just sticking graft in the socket?
RHBMP-2 Infuse: The future of grafting
I think we are in a golden age of grafting. There are great advances in growth factors that enhance our healing and help grow bone. This product is one of them.
I use it strictly on label in the sinus and I have yet to have a problem. I will add bio-oss to my graft to avoid shrinkage and collapse of the membrane.
Angeline.
BMP 2: Here is my opinion
I would agree with what with has been said.
I use it for GBR and sinus grafts. GBR, Ti-mesh is a must. I mix the infuse collagen with FDBA.
For sockets I dont see the value as I can get great results with Nu-oss, Bio-oss or FDBA in a socket without BMP. Infuse adds to much expense.
Swelling can be a killer in this case. The flaps must be released or the flap will open from the swelling.
Infuse BMP in the Socket: Case of 3
I have doen this in 3 sockets that had massive infections and it resulted in great bone.
If I didnt do this I would have had to do a ridge augmentation post extraction.
I mix the BMP with a small amount of Bio-oss
Infuse BMP-2 discussion: Sockets is there a benefit
I saw a lecture by Craig Misch at the IJPRD using infuse in a socket that has tremendous loss of bone due to infection. He placed the infuse in the socket with some allograft and 5 months later he had great bone.
I think infuse in sockets like this may enhance healing and avoid doing major grafting after the extraction.
Opinions?
Infuse BMP-2 discussion: Sockets is there a benefit
I dont see the benefit to this. I too would like opinions on using infuse in a socket?
rhBMP-2: My comments and thoughts
This to me is a promising material. While expensive it give us the opportunity to provide patients and option when no other option is out there.
I have use BMP-2 on 20 cases. I have two failures. The bone has been type 4 in most cases with some type 3. My type 3 cases I have mixed the infuse with particulate and I think that makes the difference.
I have several success cases utilizing ti-mesh and an inion membrane.
I have used it in sockets that have been extremely destroyed by infection and doing nothing would have resulted in a defect that would have required multiple surgeries to correct.
I would love to hear of other experience
Sergio
Infuse BMP-2: Price is high but worth it in the right case
I agree the price is high but I agree with most of the below. I use this material in cases that are extremely difficult or past failures. I usually can charge more so it is not an issue.
Its worth the price in those cases, especially when you are trying to make something out of nothing.
I usually get Type 4 bone and it does hold up over time. I have used this material with Mesh as well as mixed it with particulate and used tenting screws.
Tom
Infuse BMP 2 Discussion: Need some opinions
First off great discussion.
Just met with my local Medtronic rep about Infuse BMP-2. The cost for the Infuse XX small is $876.00. The is the smallest amount of BMP they sell and is enough for a single area/one socket site for grafting.
How much do you charge to take out a tooth and socket graft with this?
Does this become cost prohibitive?
While it may be a good product, it is hard from a private practice prospective to charge for this especially in this economy.
Opinions on how your handle this in your practice
BMP 2(Infuse): A question for all on BMP2 and socket grafts
I tend to agree with Hawkeye. This material seems kind of pricey to stick in a socket.
What is your indications to use in the socket?
How much can you really charge for a socket graft?
BMP-2 I have to agree with Ziv on this one
BMP-2 has shown alot of promise but I dont think its there yet.
While I have not used the product I think there are better forms of growth factors (Like PRGF and PRF) which has less complications and less expense.
I also am concerned about how complicated your surgery has to be to build the ridge. I am concerned with a product that needs ti-mesh, membranes, thick soft tissue in order to have any hope of working.
Opinions?
Brooke
BMP 2 cases: 5 for 7
I have done 7 cases to date and have 2 failures. In the 5 cases that worked it is type 3/4 bone.
I avoid the potential of the bone resorbing by augementing with bio-oss at stage 1.
The cases I have done with this have been very difficult sites that would not of worked with other materials.
I use ti-mesh, I cover the ti-mesh with a collagen membrane which helps prevent the ti-mesh from auto exposing.
Oliver
BMP-2 in sockets: What kind of results are you getting.
I am not an experienced surgeon but I do take out teeth and graft with NuOss cow bone.
Is BMP-2 a better way to graft the socket? Is the bone better?
BMP-2 in Sockets Infuse for ridges and sinuses?
There is a big quest for the ideal grafting material.Unfortunately some of the studies and advertisements are industry driven.
In bone regeneration biology dictates the healing potential.As we all know two major components are needed for regeneration:cells and blood vessels.This is why growth factors utilization becomes so popular.
Growth factors which will attract cells and blood vessels would be ideal- this is why PRF which contains VEGF became so popular.
I really don't see the point in investing so much $$$ in BMP and getting similar results to allograft mixed with PRF.( my preference is Regenaform).
The sinus results i've seen with the infuse were not impressive not to mention the huge edema.
Again more important than the material is the surgical technique...
BMP-2 results can be impressive with the right case
I think case selection is key. I have only done two cases in the sinus and the results were great. Type 3 bone.
To avoid the slumping issue I add bone as decribed in this Tarnow article.
Int J Periodontics Restorative Dent. 2010 Apr;30(2):139-49.
Maxillary sinus augmentation using recombinant bone morphogenetic protein-2/acellular collagen sponge in combination with a mineralized bone replacement graft: a report of three cases.
Tarnow DP, Wallace SS, Testori T, Froum SJ, Motroni A, Prasad HS.
sswdds.sinus@sbcglobal.net
Abstract
The objective of the following case reports was to assess whether mineralized bone replacement grafts (eg, xenografts and allografts) could be added to recombinant human bone morphogenetic protein-2/acellular collagen sponge (rhBMP-2/ACS) in an effective manner that would: (1) reduce the graft shrinkage observed when using rhBMP-2/ACS alone, (2) reduce the volume and dose of rhBMP-2 required, and (3) preserve the osteoinductivity that rhBMP-2/ACS has shown when used alone. The primary outcome measures were histomorphometric analysis of vital bone production and analysis of serial computed tomographic scans to determine changes in bone graft density and stability. Over the 6-month course of this investigation, bone graft densities tended to increase (moreso with the xenograft than the allograft). The increased density in allograft cases was likely the result of both compression of the mineralized bone replacement graft and vital bone formation, seen histologically. Loss of volume was greater with the four-sponge dose than the two-sponge dose because of compression and resorption of the sponges. Vital bone formation in the allograft cases ranged from 36% to 53% but, because of the small sample size, it was not possible to determine any significant difference between the 5.6 mL (four-sponge) dose and the 2.8 mL (two-sponge) dose. Histology revealed robust new woven bone formation with only minimal traces of residual allograft, which appeared to have undergone accelerated remodeling or rhBMP-2-mediated resorption.
BMP-2 Not Too Impressive To Me
I get consistent results using either intraorally harvested autogenous blocks or (more often these days) particulate putty materials, barrier membranes,and following the principles of GBR (space maintenance, epith exclusion, graft containment, passive wound stability). I became reluctant to get on the BMP-2 bandwagon after I saw the presentation on sinus grafts using BMP-2 at the AO and AAP meetings which showed lots of slumping and unimpressive results combined with lots of swelling. I agree with the posts below that the bone quality I have seen shown resulting from these grafts is poor (trephine cores) and questionable long term. For me at this point I think the better option for growth factors are those which promote early and robust soft tissue closure such as rh-PDGF, Emdogain, or PRGF. For those of you using Ti Mesh, are you doing so only in non-esthetic areas?? This technique seems like it has a high likelihood of esthetic failure of the case compared to other tried and true techniques.
Nick.
Infuse BMP 2 is it worth the price tag???
I have not used this product and I like reading about others clinical experience and I am hoping to gain some more insight from others opinions here.
Infuse comes with a hefty price tag. Base on what I am reading is it worth the price?
Thank you
Musin
BMP 2 I get type IV bone and often get collapse.
In the cases I have completed with BMP2 I get type IV bone.
I have seen some bone loss over time so I dont know if it holds up.
In the sinus cases I have done I have seen alot of colapse and I frequently have to do a closed sinus lift.
I dont think I would use this routinely as I get better results with regenaform putty or a particulate graft.
Infuse BMP-2 discussion adding my experience
I would concur with all that has been said but I would add the following:
1) For GBR you have to use ti-mesh. I tried several cases without the mesh using bio-oss and the infuse and it was a disaster.
2) For sockets it is very nice, I add a small amount of FDBA or Puros to the matrix and I can go back into a socket 8 weeks later and place the implant in solid bone.
3) you need to inform the patients about the swelling. Patient management can be an issue when you have to explain a month after the surgery why they are swollen.
Tim